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Post by shaggy on Jan 29, 2015 21:04:33 GMT
Hi guys I wonder if could get some advice from you regarding my Khador army
I have been playing a few 35 point games to get me back in to the swing of things and I wondered if any of you have some ideas on what units etc I should look at next to help with the models I have so far.
Any help would be great as It will give me a chance to look things up and possibly proxy some models in a few games to try out.
Thanks
This is a list of what I have so far Casters
Vlad 1 Butcher 1 Sorscha 1
Jacks
Juggernaut Destroyer Kodak Spriggan
Units
Full winter guard 3 rocketeers and UA Man o war shock troopers
Widow makers
Solos War dog Man hunter Man o war kovnik Kovnik Joe Gorman Kell Bailoch
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Post by germanicus on Jan 29, 2015 23:14:11 GMT
Heya, Jack...
Sort of echoing what Jay said on the Tanelorn forum, the Iron Fang Pikemen is a good addition with most casters and they slot in pretty well in most lists. Same with the WGRC, but they do need a little help to be good and unfortunately, their suppressing fire special action isn't as hot as it could be, given current meta is mad about high ARM. Jack-wise, I think you're OK for now as there's enough variation among those four.
However, Jay does have a certain love affair with the Nyss Hunters, but I'd hold off getting them, if only because they're a pain in the arse to build. That said, taken with the Ranking Officer, they can be nasty (debatably, a better trick with Cygnar as Valachev looks pretty fussy). Instead, maybe Kayazy Assassins + Underboss. They have some trickery with Butcher1 (KA+U with Iron Flesh = no AOE, they're laughing, in combat or out of it, as they run at you with potentially PS15 blades with DEF17+). Eliminators are more of the same, slightly more scalpel-y but more difficult to use.
Solo wise... get Saxon Orrik (he can dish out Pathfinder and is situationally good against Hordes). The Widowmaker Marksman, perhaps, as Swift Hunter on the Widowmakers can bring more position play. You thought much about the Koldun/Greylords?
Probably the best thing is to pick one caster and figure out what (at 50pts) you want your list to do. Namely: core tactical approach; intended back-up/second line; what you really want to have as part of the list to build around.
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Post by mr2key on Jan 29, 2015 23:27:44 GMT
With Germanicus on the Assassins, they really good with the Butcher and possibly better with Irusk.
The one thing I would try is to Jack Marshall the Destroyer to a Koldun Lord, basically he gives the Destroyer 2 focus, 1 to hit and 1 for the important target under the template. The Koldun Lord has a few good spells as well, but if you Jack Marshaling you don't want him to close to action... This also free up Focus for the caster as both Vlad and Butcher like to hold on to Focus.
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Post by shaggy on Jan 29, 2015 23:47:56 GMT
Thanks for the help guys!
The more I read the more I see the pike man being a good all round unit. The solo ideas are good and Saxon looks a nice pain in the butt against hordes. The marksman looks like an obvious choice now looking at it with my window makers. I still yet to use vlad in a game but it's good advice to sort out what I want my army to do with what caster. Funnily enough I have been looking at irusk...
The he greylords was also suggested by paul as a light fast unit. Most of my choices have to be what works well as funds are an issues. the gray lords are £40+ so I would want to proxy a game or to before I take the plunge.
Any thoughts on doom reavers..... Just asking as I like the look of the models but are they any good with what I have at the mo?
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Post by Little Lano on Jan 30, 2015 3:03:09 GMT
Butcher 1 with 36 Iron Fang Pikemen.
That's my list
:3
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Post by mr2key on Jan 30, 2015 11:42:40 GMT
Lano, I think that says enough about you for me not have to comment :-)
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Post by shaggy on Jan 30, 2015 15:13:01 GMT
Butcher 1 with 36 Iron Fang Pikemen. That's my list :3 Ha ha! Yeah it sounds like they may be the way to go and greylords riders but prob will get bases (I'm cheap I know) to proxy at first...that's if everyone cool with ghost models.
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Post by DAMON on Jan 30, 2015 16:30:02 GMT
I'd suggest getting a unit of Battle Mechanics. And also a unit of Kossite Woodsmen, they can be really annoying with that Ambush rule.
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Post by Little Lano on Jan 31, 2015 0:03:49 GMT
Forget everything in the Khador Books, all you need is Butcher, Iron Fang Pikemen and Doom Reavers. I'd run the pikemen myself but I don't have £200 to build that list
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Post by mr2key on Jan 31, 2015 11:45:01 GMT
What about the greatbears? You can't forget about the greatbears! They are also an iron fang unit too.
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Post by shaggy on Jan 31, 2015 16:50:29 GMT
Forget everything in the Khador Books, all you need is Butcher, Iron Fang Pikemen and Doom Reavers. I'd run the pikemen myself but I don't have £200 to build that list I do like the look of those doom reavers yeah I can't go mad it's like £45 for 10 iron fangs but bagged a few issues of no quarter from firestormgames for £1 each it has an article on the iron fangs plus the dates for the black dragon officer and standard.
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Post by germanicus on Jan 31, 2015 21:21:47 GMT
shaggy - *looks at rest of thread* Huh... well, I think the advice, Jack, is to buy at least one of everything!! XD Next time we meet, can do some theorymachine stuff. What did Khador get in Wrath?
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Post by shaggy on Feb 1, 2015 0:40:13 GMT
shaggy - *looks at rest of thread* Huh... well, I think the advice, Jack, is to buy at least one of everything!! XD Next time we meet, can do some theorymachine stuff. What did Khador get in Wrath? yeah my wallet would not like me lol if I did that.... this is what khador got in wrath book Warcaster: Kommander Harkevich, the Iron Wolf Heavy Warjack: Demolisher Character Heavy Warjack: Black Ivan Character Heavy Warjack: Torch Ally Unit: Kayazy Eliminators UA: Battle Mechanik Officer Character UA: Koldun Kapitan Valachev Battle Engine: Gun Carriage
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Post by germanicus on Feb 2, 2015 23:38:43 GMT
shaggy - Ah... hmmm... thought there was something else. Oh well, guess you can't go wrong with the Demolition Corps, a solution to all your melee problems! =P
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Post by shaggy on Feb 3, 2015 0:55:16 GMT
Demolition Corps good as a second wave definitely..... Screwing casters and all that. Love back swing idea squish squish...
Well I am going to be cheeky and and get 150mm base to try out the conquest rules in game.....
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